Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics...again

James Clyburn's latest attempt to inject race into the Democratic nomination process was truly strange. The subtext of his comments were unmistakable -- that there is somehow a racial component to Hillary Clinton's mere presence on the campaign trail.

Clyburn told the newspaper that many African-Americans believed the Clintons were trying to damage Obama to the point where he could not be elected. He also made similar comments in an interview with Reuters Thursday.

"There are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can't win this," he told Reuters. "But they're hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win."

Got that? Winning the nomination is no longer Hillary's motive. It's all about destroying Obama. By juxtaposing the ridiculous 2012 conspiracy theory with claims about "maginalizing black voters", Clyburn is implying that by running against Obama, Hillary is running against blacks.

Clyburn accused Clinton and her husband Friday of marginalizing black voters and opening a rift between her campaign and a black Democratic base that strongly backed Bill Clinton's presidency. Some surrogates in her camp are trying to render Obama unelectable against the Republican nominee so she could run for the Democratic nomination in 2012, he suggested.

On Friday's Countdown, even Olbermann questioned the inference -- wondering at the linkage between the 2012 theory and race.

When I heard Clyburn's comments last week, I couldn't help but be reminded of some recent remarks by a top Republican message guru. Testing out some new "code words" to use against the Democratic candidates, GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway commented that Clinton and Obama are debating "whether she should let him sit on the back of the bus of her presidential ticket" and that "[Hillary] doesn't want him to be the first black president".

Doesn't really seem to be much different than what Clyburn is implying. And it's not the first time that he's used a racially-tinged Republican meme to frame this campaign. Just before the South Carolina primary, while echoing blatant race-baiting by other Obama surrogates (asserting that Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment had a racial component), Clyburn brought up Willie Horton -- and blamed Al Gore.

In a telephone chat late this afternoon, Clyburn told The Sleuth that he spoke to Clinton again last night. He didn't have to tell the campaigner-in-chief to chill out again, but the congressman said he reminded the former president how George H.W. Bush defeated Michael Dukakis in 1988 by seizing on an issue that was raised in the Democratic presidential primary that year -- Willie Horton.

Didn't know that Willie Horton was injected into the 1988 presidential race by Democrats? That's because it's untrue. But it is something that Republicans have been lying about for some time. During the 1988 Democratic primary, Al Gore questioned Dukakis about his support for the Massachusetts furlough program. Gore never mentioned Willie Horton, nor gave any specific examples about the program, but that hasn't kept Sean Hannity and his ilk from blaming Gore for the race-baiting ad that George H.W. Bush ran during the general election. And it hasn't stopped James Clyburn from doing the same. Read between the lines: Clyburn cited a debunked Republican smear to imply that the Clintons are using Willie-Horton tactics against Obama.

Is this Obama's new politics of Hope? It bears a striking resemblance to the kind of politics we've seen for a generation -- from Republicans. And how did Obama respond to Clyburn's latest comments? The same way McCain responds every time Republicans hit Obama below the belt.

Speaking to reporters Friday, Obama said he does not believe in "irreparable breaches. "

"I am a big believer in reconciliation and redemption," he said. "This has been a fierce contest. I am confident, come August there are going to be a whole bunch of people standing on the stage with a lot of balloons and confetti raining down on the Democratic nominee and people are going to be excited about taking on John McCain in November."

As usual, Obama takes the high road while his surrogates continue to sew racial divisions among Democrats.



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No (2.00 / 2)

Your link from Clyburn's comments, which attribute Clinton's decision to stay in the race to her desire to win in 2012, to Kellyanne Conway's comments, which attribute the Senator's decision to keep fighting as some sort of racist vendetta, is tenuous at best.

Only those searching for race-baiting would find it in Clyburn's comments.

Of course, both Clyburn and Conway are wrong. Sen. Clinton is in the race because of neither some self-centered power play nor a racist mindset. She is running because she truly believes she can win. Which she probably can't.


Nothing like a one liner from which someone can judge your entire character.
by motbob on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:48:21 AM EST

Re: No (2.00 / 1)

If it wasn't race-baiting, what was Clyburn's point in discussing the 2012 theory in a racial context?

Olbermann noted on Friday:

"...every news organization that covered Clyburn's comments zeroed right in on Bill Clinton and race."

As Eugene Robinson said earlier in the same interview on Countdown:

"[Clyburn] is not a man to be trifled with. He chooses his words very carefully, and he uses them very forcefully."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vuRJq3zL TQ


by ryeland on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:20:48 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 2)

My 82 year grandmother and I was watching the last night and she just blurted out, "Sad to see Hillary is going to lose this thing, she should just admit it and move on."  I agreed, but then I got to thinking, if my grandmother knows this is over why is Hillary divorced from reality?


by obamaforprez on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:53:54 AM EST

Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (2.00 / 0)

Clyburn WAS a Clinton surrogate and friend, not an Obama spokesman. This is his take, not the campaign's.

Tired of the reverse race-baiting slur. It clearly its a big issue here on MYDD. I think it's called guilt. Everybody knows how this issue began, with the comments of Cuomo and then Bill. I think those were errors, but in the Rovian tactic of 'accusing the opposition of your own faults', this mud keeps on sticking in the hands of the accuser. But keep going, except for a small slice of the democratic electorate, this whining and double reverse baiting just reveals the bankruptcy, moral and financial, of the Hillary campaign.

Diaries like this do Hillary no favours


by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:26:00 AM EST

Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (none / 0)

Really? A Clinton surrogate that repeatedly suggests that the Clintons are racists? If you don't know that Clyburn is an Obama surrogate, then you haven't been paying attention.

You think this is diary is a slur? Then you agree with Clyburn that there was a racial component to Bill Clinton calling Obama's opposition to the war a "fairy tale"?


by ryeland on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:32:05 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (none / 0)

I love this repeatedly "suggests". How is that? He implies it? Or does he hypnotise people and insert the word racist by subliminal subliminal advertising.

This over reaction from Bill and Hillary campaign supporters is a classic case of guilt.

Let's be clear. No one is suggesting the Clinton's are racists. Can we end this one right here. But is Bill above using a bit of demographic salami slicing to triangulate his vote? Of course not. And the references to 'kid' and 'fairy tale' are insulting and patronising. I don't get an racial overtones. But then again I haven't risked and spent my life fighting for civil rights like Clyburn, and was a close friend of the Clintons.

You know what: I think I trust his judgement more than your Rovian self projections

Guess what? I'm going to listen to him more than you.  


by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:51:00 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (2.00 / 1)

If you think this is coming from blogs, you are absolutely out of touch.  I know lots of folks who never read blogs, but they're talking about this at barbecues, school events, after services, etc.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:53:18 AM EST
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I know plenty of folks who (none / 0)

talk about bombs that were planted in the World Trade Center on 9-11. That doesn't make it true. For Clyburn to suggest that Hillary is out to destroy Obama so she can be President in 2012 is nothing but inflammatory bullshit meant to, as Craig Crawford said, "stir the pot" before the N.C. primary. I call on Mr. Clyburn to provide us with some evidence for his conspiracy theory. We have come to a point where the mere act of running against Obama, by many, is percieved as racist. How very sad...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:41:34 AM EST
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Re: I know plenty of folks who (2.00 / 1)

He didn't say that he believed the 2012 theory. He said that lots of folks do.

He can easily provide evidence that lots of folks believe it.  


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:46:45 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (2.00 / 1)

I was watching MSNBC last week and Eugene Robertson of the Washington Post said that Obama couldn't take Sen. Clinton as a running mate because he would need a food tester.Implying that she would murder him the attack on the character of Sen. Clinton by the AA reps of Obama has been the most disappointing thing in this race.


by grab6 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:26:16 AM EST

Eugene Robinson (2.00 / 1)

works for the Washington Post, not the Obama campaign. If you have it, please present evidence to the contrary. Then, please prove that his remarks were intended to be taken literally.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:52:42 AM EST
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Re: Eugene Robinson (none / 0)

Are you trying to say Robinson isn't a constant backer of Obama.This is the guy who compared Bill Clinton to strongman leaders -- Vladimir Putin, Alberto Fujimori, Olusegun Obasanjo, Islam Karimov and Hugo Chávez.His remarks aren't that funny,I know lets play the game in reverse Clinton could never take Obama as a running mate because she a white woman and she would have to worry about being alone with him in the White House.Ha Ha sure is funny.


by grab6 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:34:17 AM EST
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Once again (none / 0)

Robinson works for the Washington Post. End of story.

Clinton could never take Obama as a running mate because she a white woman and she would have to worry about being alone with him in the White House.

Wow. Dixiecrat much?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:38:27 AM EST
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Re: Once again (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, and soon someone will come along and claim there's no racial message to the implication that a white woman won't be safe with a black man.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:54:14 AM EST
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Re: Once again (none / 0)

No I'm from NY too,I was using it as a way of saying  that some things really aren't funny.Saying that she would murder Obama,is playing into the Vince Foster tragedy.Keith Olberman said that she should be taken into the back room and beaten until she quits.Thats not funny either.


by grab6 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:55:59 AM EST
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"Olberman said" (none / 0)

Well, except that's not what he said. Nor, unless food taster is an actual job description, did Robinson say what you think he said.

What's really striking is that some adherents of the dirtiest, most hardball Democratic campaign ever, Clinton's, seem to always see themselves as the victim. It's really very off-putting; one complaint after another, and then you turn around and smear until you collapse under the sheer effort of it all.

Distasteful.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:17:23 AM EST
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Re: "Olberman said" (none / 0)

Yes he said exactly that.That Obama fans defend it is the true tragedy.That Obama needs food taster means he thinks she might kill him.It may have been said in jest but its not funny.


by grab6 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:40:39 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (2.00 / 0)

You know what: there's nothing funnier than someone who has lost all their sense of humour


by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:52:50 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (2.00 / 0)

I guess a sense of sarcasm is the fist thing to go when delusion sets in.


by rfahey22 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:45:39 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (none / 0)

So, saying that Jesse Jackson won SD, which he did, is a racist slur? Some people are beyond stupid.


by soopermouse on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:31:19 AM EST

Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 0)

Saying that Obama was only getting votes because he was black (as Bill implied) was beyond stupid; look at the result. It was then the Clinton's lost the AA vote completely.


by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:59:49 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (none / 0)

What percentage of African Americans voted for Obama in South Carolina? 80%?
The only other candidate to pull those kind of numbers in SC was Jesse Jackson.
See the correlation?
by skohayes on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:48:24 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 0)

Correlation does not equal causation. Simple fallacy. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. The cock crowing does not cause the sun to rise.

Until SC, Hillary was gaining the bulk of the AA vote, just as Bill had in the 90s. Nobody called Bill Jesse Jackson. Why? Because he was white. So the racial overtone is there.

Bill lost the AA vote, not because he's racist, because he lost it as a politician.

And unlike Jesse Jackson, the bulk of Obama's support comes from latte sipping Birkenstock wearing Prius driving white people, remember? Or didn't you get that memo?


by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:07:05 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 1)

So you're saying that 80% of the African Americans voted for Obama for some other reason and not because he was the first viable black candidate since Jesse Jackson's second run in 88?
Maybe because of all the Obama surrogates saying that the Clintons were racist had something to do with it?
The fairy tale comment about Obama's stand on the war was called racist by Donna Brazile.
The Jesse Jackson comment was called racist by the Huffington Post, among other blogs (even though Jackson himself understood the context) etc,etc.
Many people were insulted because Bill was trying to make Obama out as "the black candidate".
Here's news for you, Obama IS the black candidate. That isn't going to change.
by skohayes on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:17:59 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 1)

Wrong wrong and wrong.
We used to have a dem caucus here in SC.
In 2000 Al Gore won 91% of the vote with uncommited taking 5%.
So in essense, Gore probably got a higher percentage of the AA vote.
Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:04:18 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (none / 0)

but Al Gore went on to be the nominee.  You aren't understanding the comparison here.


by colebiancardi on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:49:48 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP (2.00 / 1)

It's just not true. Clinton used to have a hefty portion of the AA vote. She lost it because of her tactics.

And it's so funny that making a memo that details the race-related comments made now constitutes race-baiting.  How dare people compile racially tinged comments!  


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:48:43 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP (2.00 / 0)

she "had" the support - but not the vote, as NC was the first state that had any type of AA population (Iowa & NH are whiter than white) that could vote.

polling is one thing.  Once the race-baiting from the Obama camp began, with twisting the fairytale comment, JJ's "don't cry for Katrina" BS, she lost it.  And that was right before NC.


by colebiancardi on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:51:29 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 3)

This is one of the biggest lies spun by the MSM. Bill was asked about the historical significance of Obama's win SC and he THEN compared it with J. Jackson's. All you hear about that exchange is that Bill was belittling Obama's win. In fact Bill stated that Obama had run a good campaign. Nobody hears that part.

BTW, I am an AA and I do not share Clyburn's "overheard" sentiments. He doesn't speak for me or some of my friends. Racism, sexism, race-baiting and and all destructive "isms" are counter-productive and will backfire against whoever is playing them. As Democrats we should be searching for a sure-fire way to regain  the White House. Instead we have been preoccupied with "Goring" both candidates with the help of the MSM.


by Actright on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:13:26 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (none / 0)

Why was Jackson the point of comparison? Because they both had similar skin color?


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:55:16 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (2.00 / 1)

That's a good question; could it have been that Bill is color blind after all? Could it be that Bill could not come up with another Democrat who had run as well as Obama in SC? Could it be that Bill, being a  political animal himself, recognized a thumping by two black men in SC? You see, there's a danger when we begin to suspect and ascribe racial animus to everything said by individuals. Long ago I heard Chris Rock on stage asking his audience why they would vote for the "white woman" instead of the "black man". To me, his gig was funny; to others it may have been pure race-baiting. I do not have a telescope that peers into a man's heart that would show me that he is racist. I only judge racism through pervasive action. So far, there is nothing that you can demonstrate to me to show that the Clintons are racists. You are, of course, entitled to your own telescopic conclusions.


by Actright on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:30:56 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics (none / 0)

no.  don't be obtuse.  

Who garnered that much support from AA's in a primary, yet lost the nomination bid?  Not Edwards.  Not Clinton.

you have to go back to Jesse Jackson.  Historical fact.


by colebiancardi on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:52:47 AM EST
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Wouldn't it be better (2.00 / 1)

if, instead of ridiculously tying to smear the dean of the Congressional Black Caucus, you presented some evidence or some other justification as to why you think he is wrong other than simply maligning his character? Is this the thanks that Clyburn gets for supporting the Clintons during their previous time in office and during the majority of their present run?

One of the many reasons why so many people oppose a Clinton restoration is because of attitudes like this. A lot of people are sick and tired of hearing that so-and-so is now a Judas for daring to not support their various aspirations. It's time to move on, enough of this.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:49:13 AM EST

No, (2.00 / 1)

I agree with the first comment.  Clyburn stated that people within his district and on the House floor have stated that Hillary is trying to ruin Obama's campaign so she can run again in 2012.  That's not race-baiting but he is suggesting that she will ruin the party for her own ambitions.  That was my take.
I guess you are assuming that since his district is primarily AA, that the folks that are spouting this to him are black but you are jumping to conclusions.  He is also a leader in the House of Reps so he is getting feedback from everyone.

by mishiem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:01:36 AM EST

Re: No, (none / 0)

Bloggers are so self-centered!  This is NOT a blog phenomenon.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:01:01 AM EST
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Re: Clyburn is telling the truth (none / 0)

Clyburn is telling the truth. He's also sending warning signals. Don't think that this if Clinton STEALS this that the Black community is just going to shuffle along and vote for her.


by rikyrah on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:55:53 AM EST

Re: Clyburn is telling the truth (2.00 / 1)

shuffle?

oh my - sounds like race-baiting to me.


by colebiancardi on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:53:42 AM EST
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raging Bill (none / 0)

And meanwhile, Bill Clinton is losing it:

"I think this campaign has enraged him," the adviser told me. "He doesn't like Obama." In private conversations, he has been dismissive of his wife's rival. James Clyburn, an African-American congressman from South Carolina, told me that Clinton called him in the middle of the night after Obama won that state's primary and raged at him for fifty minutes.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/05/05 /080505ta_talk_lizza

Will he do the same sort of thing if Clinton wins the presidency? Is he going to be calling up critics in the middle of the night and raging at them?


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:02:24 AM EST

Re: Clyburn is mimicking GOP race-baiting tactics. (none / 0)

As these postings illustrate, we are turning on each other.  


by Pat J on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:40:07 AM EST


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